Phaedo. For when they argue about anything, they do not care what
the truth is in the matters they are discussing, but are eager only to make
their own views seem true to their hearers. And I fancy I differ from them just
now only to this extent: I shall not be eager to make what I say seem true to my
hearers, except as a secondary matter, but shall be very eager
to make myself believe it. For see, my friend, how
selfish my attitude is. If what I say is true, I am the gainer by believing it;
and if there be nothing for me after death, at any rate I shall not be
burdensome to my friends by my lamentations in these last moments. And this
ignorance of mine will not last, for that would be an evil, but will soon end.
So,
he said, Simmias and Cebes, I approach the argument with my
mind thus prepared. But you,
if you do as I
ask, will give little thought to Socrates and much more to the truth; and if you
think what I say is true, agree to it, and if not, oppose me with every argument
you can muster, that I may not in my eagerness deceive myself and you alike and
go away, like a bee, leaving my sting sticking in you.But we must get to work,
he said. First
refresh my memory, if I seem to have forgotten anything. Simmias, I think, has
doubts and fears that the soul, though more divine and
excellent than the body, may perish first, being of the
nature of a harmony. And, Cebes, I believe, granted that the soul is more
lasting than the body, but said that no one could know that the soul, after
wearing out many bodies, did not at last perish itself upon leaving the body;
and that this was death—the destruction of the soul, since the body is
continually being destroyed. Are those the points, Simmias and Cebes, which we
must consider?
They both agreed that
these were the points.Now,
said he,
do you reject all of our previous arguments, or only some of
them?
Only some of them,
they replied.