Section 316
COMRADE. Indeed, Socrates, that is exactly what I mean. If you look at the different nations, you see that they hold completely different things to be lawful and unlawful. Even among ourselves, the laws change. What was considered lawful in the past is often unlawful now, and what is lawful now may be unlawful in the future. How can law be the discovery of what is, when it is so variable?
SOCRATES. Because, my good friend, while the things themselves—the realities—do not change, human beings often fail to discover them accurately. Let me ask you: in medicine, do the writings of the doctors concerning health differ, or are the true rules of health the same for all?
COMRADE. The true rules of health are the same for all.
SOCRATES. And those who know these rules are the doctors?
COMRADE. Yes.
SOCRATES. And do the doctors write down different laws about health, or do they agree upon the principles that are truly healthy?
COMRADE. They agree.
SOCRATES. And in farming, do the farmers agree upon the rules for planting and harvesting?
COMRADE. Yes.
SOCRATES. And the writings of these experts—the doctors and the farmers—are their laws concerning their respective arts?
COMRADE. Exactly.
SOCRATES. So whose writings are the laws concerning the administration of the state and the management of people? Are they not the writings of those who know how to rule?
COMRADE. They are.
SOCRATES. And who knows how to rule? Are they not the statesmen and the kings?
COMRADE. Yes.
SOCRATES. So these so-called laws are the writings of the kings and good men. And just as in medicine or farming, those who possess knowledge do not write one thing today and another tomorrow about the same subjects, nor do they write differently from other experts. They discover what is, and they write it down as a permanent law.
Τμῆμα 316
ΕΤ. ἐγὼ μὲν τά τε δίκαια δίκαια καὶ τὰ ἄδικα ἄδικα.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ παρὰ πᾶσιν οὕτως ὡς ἐνθάδε νομίζεται;
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἐν Πέρσαις;
ΕΤ.καὶ ἐν Πέρσαις.
ΣΩ. ἀλλὰ ἀεὶ δήπου;
ΕΤ. ἀεί.
ΣΩ. πότερον δὲ τὰ πλεῖον ἕλκοντα βαρύτερα νομίζεται ἐνθάδε, τὰ δὲ ἔλαττον κουφότερα, ἢ τοὐναντίον;
ΕΤ. οὔκ, ἀλλὰ τὰ πλεῖον ἕλκοντα βαρύτερα, τὰ δὲ ἔλαττον κουφότερα.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἐν Καρχηδόνι καὶ ἐν Λυκαίᾳ;
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. τὰ μὲν καλά, ὡς ἔοικε, πανταχοῦ νομίζεται καλὰ καὶ τὰ αἰσχρὰ αἰσχρά, ἀλλʼ οὐ τὰ αἰσχρὰ καλὰ οὐδὲ τὰ καλὰ αἰσχρά.
ΕΤ. οὕτως.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν, ὡς κατὰ πάντων εἰπεῖν, τὰ ὄντα νομίζεται εἶναι, οὐ τὰ μὴ ὄντα, καὶ παρʼ ἡμῖν καὶ παρὰ τοῖς ἄλλοις ἅπασιν.
ΕΤ. ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ.
ΣΩ. ὃς ἂν ἄρα τοῦ ὄντος ἁμαρτάνῃ, τοῦ νομίμου ἁμαρτάνει.
ΕΤ. οὕτω μέν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὡς σὺ λέγεις, καὶ φαίνεται ταῦτα νόμιμα καὶ ἡμῖν ἀεὶ καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις· ἐπειδὰν δʼ ἐννοήσω ὅτι οὐδὲν παυόμεθα ἄνω κάτω μετατιθέμενοι τοὺς νόμους, οὐ δύναμαι πεισθῆναι.
ΣΩ. ἴσως γὰρ οὐκ ἐννοεῖς ταῦτα μεταπεττευόμενα ὅτι ταὐτά ἐστιν. ἀλλʼ ὧδε μετʼ ἐμοῦ αὐτὰ ἄθρει. ἤδη ποτὲ ἐνέτυχες συγγράμματι περὶ ὑγιείας τῶν καμνόντων;
ΕΤ. ἔγωγε.
ΣΩ. οἶσθα οὖν τίνος τέχνης τοῦτʼ ἐστὶ τὸ σύγγραμμα;
ΕΤ. οἶδα, ὅτι ἰατρικῆς.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ἰατροὺς καλεῖς τοὺς ἐπιστήμονας περὶ τούτων;
ΕΤ. φημί.
ΣΩ. πότερον οὖν οἱ ἐπιστήμονες ταὐτὰ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν νομίζουσιν ἢ ἄλλοι ἄλλα;
ΕΤ. ταὐτὰ ἔμοιγε δοκοῦσι.
ΣΩ. πότερον οἱ Ἕλληνες μόνοι τοῖς Ἕλλησιν ἢ καὶ οἱ βάρβαροι αὑτοῖς τε καὶ τοῖς Ἕλλησι, περὶ ὧν ἂν εἰδῶσι, ταὐτὰ νομίζουσι;
ΕΤ. ταὐτὰ δήπου πολλὴ ἀνάγκη ἐστὶν τοὺς εἰδότας αὐτοὺς αὑτοῖς συννομίζειν καὶ Ἕλληνας καὶ βαρβάρους.
ΣΩ. καλῶς γε ἀπεκρίνω. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἀεί;
ΕΤ. ναί, καὶ ἀεί.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ οἱ ἰατροὶ συγγράφουσι περὶ ὑγιείας ἅπερ καὶ νομίζουσιν εἶναι;
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. ἰατρικὰ ἄρα καὶ ἰατρικοὶ νόμοι ταῦτα τὰ συγγράμματα ἐστὶν τὰ τῶν ἰατρῶν.
ΕΤ. ἰατρικὰ μέντοι.
ΣΩ. ἆρʼ οὖν καὶ τὰ γεωργικὰ συγγράμματα γεωργικοὶ νόμοι εἰσίν;
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. τίνων οὖν ἐστιν τὰ περὶ κήπων ἐργασίας συγγράμματα καὶ νόμιμα;
ΕΤ. κηπουρῶν.
ΣΩ. κηπουρικοὶ ἄρα νόμοι ἡμῖν εἰσιν οὗτοι.
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. τῶν ἐπισταμένων κήπων ἄρχειν;
ΕΤ. πῶς δʼ οὔ;
ΣΩ. ἐπίστανται δʼ οἱ κηπουροί.
ΕΤ. ναί.
ΣΩ. τίνων δὲ τὰ περὶ ὄψου σκευασίας συγγράμματά τε καὶ νόμιμα;
ΕΤ. μαγείρων.
ΣΩ. μαγειρικοὶ ἄρα οὗτοι νόμοι εἰσί;
ΕΤ. μαγειρικοί.