Yes.
Such men,
said I, will be avid of wealth, like those in an oligarchy, and will cherish a fierce secret lust for gold Footnote 1This was said to be characteristic of Sparta. Cf. Newman on Aristot. Pol. 1270 a 13, Xen. Rep. Lac. 14, 203 and 7. 6, and the Chicago Dissertation of P. H. Epps, The Place of Sparta in Greek History and Civilization, pp. 180-184. and silver, owning storehouses Footnote 2Cf. 416 D. and private treasuries where they may hide them away, and also the enclosures Footnote 3Cf. Laws 681 A, Theaet. 174 E. of their homes, literal private love-nests Footnote 4νεοττιάς suggests Horace’s
tu nidum servas
(Epist. i. 10.6). Cf also Laws 776 A. in which they can lavish their wealth on their women Footnote 5Cf. Laws 806 A-C, 637 B-C, Aristot. Pol. 1269 b 3, and Newman ii. p. 318 on the Spartan women. Cf. Epps, op. cit. pp. 322-346. and any others they please with great expenditure.Most true,
he said. And will they not be stingy about money, since they prize it and are not allowed to possess it openly, prodigal of others’ wealth Footnote 6φιλαναλωταί, though different, suggests Sallust’s
alieni appetens sui profusus
(Cat. 5). Cf. Cat. 52 publice egestatem, privatim opulentiam.
because of their appetites, enjoying Footnote 7Cf. 587 A, Laws 636 D, Symp. 187 E, Phaedr. 251 E. their pleasures stealthily, and running away from the law as boys from a father, Footnote 8Cf. Aristot. Pol. 1270 b 34 with Newman’s note; and Euthyphro 2 C tell his mother the state.
since they have not been educated by persuasion Footnote 9Cf. Laws 720 D-E. This is not inconsistent with Polit. 293 A, where the context and the point of view are different. but by force because of their neglect of the true Muse, the companion of discussion and philosophy, and because of their preference of gymnastics to music?You perfectly describe,
he said, a polity that is a mixture Footnote 10This is of course not the mixed government which Plato approves Laws 691-692, 712 D-E, 759 B. Cf. What Plato Said, p. 629. of good and evil.
Why, yes, the elements have been mixed,
I said, but the most conspicuous Footnote 11For διαφανέστατον cf. 544 D. The expression διαφανέστατον . . . ἕν τι μόνον, misunderstood and emended by Apelt, is colored by an idea of Anaxagoras expressed by Lucretius i. 877-878:
illud Apparere unum cuius sint plurima mixta.
Anaxag. Fr. 12. Diels 1.3, p. 405 ἀλλ’ ὅτων πλεῖστα ἔνι, ταῦτα ἐνδηλότατα ἓν ἕκαστον ἐστι καὶ ἦν
. Cf. Phaedr. 238 A, Cratyl. 393 misunderstood by Dümmler and emended (ἐναργής for ἐγκρατής) with the approval of Wilamowitz, Platon, ii. p. 350. feature in it is one thing only, due to the predominance of the high-spirited element, namely contentiousness and covetousness of honor. Footnote 12There is no contradiction between this and Laws 870 C if the passage is read carefully. Very much so,
said he. Such, then, would be the origin and nature of this polity if we may merely outline the figure of a constitution in words and not elaborate it precisely, since even the sketch will suffice to show us the most just and the most unjust type of man, and it would be an impracticable task to set forth all forms Footnote 13Cf. on 544 D, p. 240, note a. of government without omitting any, and all customs and qualities of men.
Quite right,
he said.
What, then, is the man that corresponds to this constitution? What is his origin and what his nature?
I fancy,
Adeimantus said, that he comes rather close Footnote 14Cf. Phaedo 65 A, Porphyry, De abst. i. 27, Teubner, p. 59
ἐγγὺς τείνειν ἀποσιτίας
. to Glaucon here in point of contentiousness.Perhaps,
said I, in that, but I do not think their natures are alike in the following respects.
In what?
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