But the figure of a man
equilibrated
and assimilated
to virtue’s self perfectly, so far as may be, in word and deed, and holding rule in a city of like quality, that is a thing they have never seen
in one case or in many. Do you think they have?By no means.
Neither, my dear fellow, have they ever seriously inclined to hearken to fair and free discussions whose sole endeavor was to search out the truth Footnote 1As the Platonic dialectic does (Phileb. 58 C-D, Cf. What Plato Said, p. 611) in contrast with the rhetorician, the lawyer (Theaet. 172 D-E) and the eristic (Euthydem. 272 B, Hipp. Maj. 288 D). at any cost for knowledge’s sake, and which dwell apart and salute from afar Footnote 2Cf. Eurip. Hippol. 102, Psalm cxxxviii. 6
the proud he knoweth afar off.
all the subtleties and cavils that lead to naught but opinion Footnote 3Cf. Phaedrus 253 D with Theaetet. 187 C, and Unity of Plato’s Thought, p. 48. and strife in court-room and in private talk.They have not,
he said. For this cause and foreseeing this, we then despite our fears Footnote 4Cf. on 489 A. declared under compulsion of the truth Footnote 5Cf. Aristot. Met. 984 b 10, 984 a 19. that neither city nor polity nor man either will ever be perfected until some chance compels this uncorrupted remnant of philosophers, who now bear the stigma of uselessness, to take charge of the state whether they wish it or not, and constrains the citizens to obey them, or else until by some divine inspiration Footnote 6Cf. Laws 757 E. But we must not attribute personal superstition to Plato. See What Plato Said, index, s. v. Superstition. a genuine passion for true philosophy takes possession Footnote 7Cf. Laws 711 D, Thuc. vi. 24. 3; so iv. 4. 1
ὁρμὴ ἐπέπεσε
. either of the sons of the men now in power and sovereignty or of themselves. To affirm that either or both of these things cannot possibly come to pass is, I say, quite unreasonable. Only in that case could we be justly ridiculed as uttering things as futile as day-dreams are. Footnote 8We might say, talking like vain Utopians or idly idealists.
The scholiast says, p. 348, τοῦτο καὶ κενήν φασι μακαρίαν
. cf. ibid, Vol. I. on 458 A, and for εὐχαί on 450 D, and Novotny on Epist. vii. 331 D. Is not that so?It is.
If, then, the best philosophical natures have ever been constrained to take charge of the state in infinite time past, Footnote 9Cf. Laws 782 A, 678 A-B, and What Plato Said, p. 627 on Laws 676 A-B; Also Isoc. Panath. 204-205, seven hundred years seemed a short time. or now are in some barbaric region Footnote 10Cf. Phaedo 78 A. far beyond our ken, or shall hereafter be, we are prepared to maintain our contention Footnote 11For the ellipsis of the first person of the verb Parmen. 137 C, Laches 180 A. The omission of the third person is very frequent. that the constitution we have described has been, is, or will be Footnote 12Cf. 492 E, Laws 711 E, 739 C, 888 E. realized Footnote 13Cf. Vol. I. Introd. p. xxxii, and ibid. on 472 B, and What Plato Said, p. 564, also 540 D, Newman, Aristot. Pol. i. p. 377. when this philosophic Muse has taken control of the state. Footnote 14This is what I have called the ABA style. Cf. 599 E, Apol. 20 C, Phaedo 57 B, Laches 185 A, Protag. 344 C, Theaet. 185 A, 190 B, etc. It is nearly what Riddell calls binary structure, Apology, pp. 204-217. It is not a thing impossible to happen, nor are we speaking of impossibilities. That it is difficult we too admit.
I also think so,
he said. But the multitude—are you going to say?—does not think so,
said I. That may be,
he said. My dear fellow,
said I, do not thus absolutely condemn the multitude. Footnote 15It is uncritical to find
contradictions
in variations of mood, emphasis, and expression that are broadly human and that no writer can avoid. Any thinker may at one moment and for one purpose defy popular opinion and for another conciliate it; at one time affirm that it doesn’t matter what the ignorant people think or say, and at another urge that prudence bids us be discreet. So St. Paul who says (Gal. i. 10) Do I seek to please men? for if I yet please men I should not be the servant of Christ,
says also (Rom xiv. 16) Let no then your good be evil spoken of.
Cf. also What Plato Said, p. 646 on Laws 950 B. They will surely be of another mind if in no spirit of contention but soothingly and endeavoring to do away with the dispraise of learning you point out to them whom you mean by philosophers, and define as we recently did their nature and their pursuits so that the people may not suppose you to mean those of whom they are thinking.
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