Socrates. It may be that you are right, Hermogenes; but let us see. Whatever name we decide to give each particular thing is its name?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. Whether the giver be a private person or a state?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. Well, then, suppose I give a name to some thing or other, designating, for instance, that which we now call man
as horse
and that which we now call horse
as man,
will the real name of the same thing be man
for the public and horse
for me individually, and in the other case horse
for the public and man
for me individually? Is that your meaning?
Hermogenes. Yes, that is my opinion.
Socrates. Now answer this question. Is there anything which you call speaking the truth and speaking falsehood?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. Then there would be true speech and false speech?
Hermogenes. Certainly.
Socrates. Then that speech which says things as they are is true, and that which says them as they are not is false?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. It is possible, then, to say in speech that which is and that which is not?
Hermogenes. Certainly.
Socrates. But is true speech true only as a whole, and are its parts untrue?
Hermogenes. No, its parts also are true.
Socrates. Are the large parts true, but not the small ones, or are all true?
Hermogenes. All, in my opinion.
Socrates. Is there, then, anything which you say is a smaller part of speech than a name?
Hermogenes. No, that is the smallest.
Socrates. And the name is spoken as a part of the true speech?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. Then it is, according to you, true.
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. And a part of false speech is false, is it not?
Hermogenes. It is.
Socrates. Then it is possible to utter either a false or a true name, since one may utter speech that is either true or false?
Hermogenes. Yes, of course.
Socrates. Then whatever each particular person says is the name of anything, that is its name for that person?
Hermogenes. Yes.
Socrates. And whatever the number of names anyone says a thing has, it will really have that number at the time when he says it?
Hermogenes. Yes, Socrates, for I cannot conceive of any other kind of correctness in names than this; I may call a thing by one name, which I gave, and you by another, which you gave. And in the same way, I see that states have their own different names for the same things, and Greeks differ from other Greeks and from barbarians in their use of names.