Section 531
SOCRATES. Is there any subject on which Homer and Hesiod agree?
ION. Yes, I believe there are many.
SOCRATES. In those matters where they agree, would you be able to explain what Homer says better than what Hesiod says?
ION. I would explain them equally well, Socrates, in the matters where they agree.
SOCRATES. But what about the matters on which they disagree? For instance, both Homer and Hesiod speak about divination.
ION. Yes.
SOCRATES. Now, if the two poets disagree about divination, who would explain those differences better: you, or an expert diviner?
ION. A diviner.
SOCRATES. And if you were the diviner, and could explain their agreements, wouldn't you also be able to explain their disagreements?
ION. Clearly.
SOCRATES. Then why are you skilled only in Homer, and not in Hesiod and the other poets? Does Homer speak about anything different from what all the other poets speak about? Does he not mainly speak about war, about human association—good and bad, laymen and craftsmen—about the gods associating with each other and with men, about the heavens and the underworld, and the origins of gods and heroes? Are these not the very subjects of Homer's poetry?
ION. They are, Socrates.
SOCRATES. And do not the other poets write about these exact same subjects?
ION. Yes, Socrates, but they have not written about them in the same way Homer has.
SOCRATES. How do you mean? Do they do it worse?
ION. Much worse.
SOCRATES. And Homer does it better?
ION. Better by far! By Zeus, he is the best.
SOCRATES. Well now, my dear Ion, when people are discussing numbers, and one person speaks better than the rest, is it not the same person who can judge both the one speaking well and those speaking badly? Namely, the one who possesses the art of arithmetic?
ION. Yes.
SOCRATES. And when many people are discussing what sorts of foods are healthy, and one person speaks best, is it the person who recognizes the best speaker who also recognizes that the others are speaking worse? Or is it a different person? Is it not the doctor who judges both?
ION. Yes, the doctor.
Τμῆμα 531
ΣΩ. καὶ μὴν ἐγὼ ἔτι ποιήσομαι σχολὴν ἀκροάσασθαί σου, νῦν δέ μοι τοσόνδε ἀπόκριναι· πότερον περὶ Ὁμήρου μόνον δεινὸς εἶ ἢ καὶ περὶ Ἡσιόδου καὶ Ἀρχιλόχου;
ΙΩΝ. οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ περὶ Ὁμήρου μόνον· ἱκανὸν γάρ μοι δοκεῖ εἶναι.
ΣΩ. ἔστι δὲ περὶ ὅτου Ὅμηρός τε καὶ Ἡσίοδος ταὐτὰ λέγετον;
ΙΩΝ. οἶμαι ἔγωγε καὶ πολλά.
ΣΩ. πότερον οὖν περὶ τούτων κάλλιον ἂν ἐξηγήσαιο ἃ Ὅμηρος λέγει ἢ ἃ Ἡσίοδος;
ΙΩΝ. ὁμοίως ἂν περί γε τούτων, ὦ Σώκρατες, περὶ ὧν ταὐτὰ λέγουσιν.
ΣΩ. τί δὲ ὧν πέρι μὴ ταὐτὰ λέγουσιν; οἷον περὶ μαντικῆς λέγει τι Ὅμηρός τε καὶ Ἡσίοδος.
ΙΩΝ. πάνυ γε.
ΣΩ. τί οὖν; ὅσα τε ὁμοίως καὶ ὅσα διαφόρως περὶ μαντικῆς λέγετον τὼ ποιητὰ τούτω, πότερον σὺ κάλλιον ἂν ἐξηγήσαιο ἢ τῶν μάντεών τις τῶν ἀγαθῶν;
ΙΩΝ. τῶν μάντεων.
ΣΩ. εἰ δὲ σὺ ἦσθα μάντις, οὐκ, εἴπερ περὶ τῶν ὁμοίως λεγομένων οἷός τʼ ἦσθα ἐξηγήσασθαι, καὶ περὶ τῶν διαφόρως λεγομένων ἠπίστω ἂν ἐξηγεῖσθαι;
ΙΩΝ. δῆλον ὅτι.
ΣΩ. τί οὖν ποτε περὶ μὲν Ὁμήρου δεινὸς εἶ, περὶ δὲ Ἡσιόδου οὔ, οὐδὲ τῶν ἄλλων ποιητῶν; ἢ Ὅμηρος περὶ ἄλλων τινῶν λέγει ἢ ὧνπερ σύμπαντες οἱ ἄλλοι ποιηταί; οὐ περὶ πολέμου τε τὰ πολλὰ διελήλυθεν καὶ περὶ ὁμιλιῶν πρὸς ἀλλήλους ἀνθρώπων ἀγαθῶν τε καὶ κακῶν καὶ ἰδιωτῶν καὶ δημιουργῶν, καὶ περὶ θεῶν πρὸς ἀλλήλους καὶ πρὸς ἀνθρώπους ὁμιλούντων, ὡς ὁμιλοῦσι, καὶ περὶ τῶν οὐρανίων παθημάτων καὶ περὶ τῶν ἐν Ἅιδου, καὶ γενέσεις καὶ θεῶν καὶ ἡρώων; οὐ ταῦτά ἐστι περὶ ὧν Ὅμηρος τὴν ποίησιν πεποίηκεν;
ΙΩΝ. ἀληθῆ λέγεις, ὦ Σώκρατες.
ΣΩ. τί δὲ οἱ ἄλλοι ποιηταί; οὐ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν τούτων;
ΙΩΝ. ναί, ἀλλʼ, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐχ ὁμοίως πεποιήκασι καὶ Ὅμηρος.
ΣΩ. τί μήν; κάκιον;
ΙΩΝ. πολύ γε.
ΣΩ. Ὅμηρος δὲ ἄμεινον;
ΙΩΝ. ἄμεινον μέντοι νὴ Δία.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν, ὦ φίλη κεφαλὴ Ἴων, ὅταν περὶ ἀριθμοῦ πολλῶν λεγόντων εἷς τις ἄριστα λέγῃ, γνώσεται δήπου τις τὸν εὖ λέγοντα;
ΙΩΝ. φημί.
ΣΩ. πότερον οὖν ὁ αὐτὸς ὅσπερ καὶ τοὺς κακῶς λέγοντας, ἢ ἄλλος;
ΙΩΝ. ὁ αὐτὸς δήπου.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν ὁ τὴν ἀριθμητικὴν τέχνην ἔχων οὗτός ἐστιν;
ΙΩΝ. ναί.
ΣΩ. τί δʼ; ὅταν πολλῶν λεγόντων περὶ ὑγιεινῶν σιτίων ὁποῖά ἐστιν, εἷς τις ἄριστα λέγῃ, πότερον ἕτερος μέν τις τὸν ἄριστα λέγοντα γνώσεται ὅτι ἄριστα λέγει, ἕτερος δὲ τὸν κάκιον ὅτι κάκιον, ἢ ὁ αὐτός;
ΙΩΝ. δῆλον δήπου, ὁ αὐτός.
ΣΩ. τίς οὗτος; τί ὄνομα αὐτῷ;
ΙΩΝ. ἰατρός.