Section 540
SOCRATES. You did not say "all of them" earlier, Ion! Are you so forgetful? It is not fitting for a rhapsode to be forgetful.
ION. What have I forgotten?
SOCRATES. Do you not remember agreeing that the art of the rhapsode is different from the art of the charioteer?
ION. I remember.
SOCRATES. And you agreed that because they are different, they will know different things.
ION. Yes.
SOCRATES. Then by your own argument, the rhapsode's art will not know everything, nor will the rhapsode.
ION. Perhaps with the exception of those specialized things, Socrates.
SOCRATES. By "those specialized things," you mean the subjects of the other arts. But if the rhapsode does not know everything, what is it that he does know?
ION. I think he knows what it is fitting for a man to say, and what it is fitting for a woman to say; what a slave should say, and what a freeman should say; what a subject should say, and what a ruler should say.
SOCRATES. Do you mean what is fitting for the ruler of a ship caught in a storm at sea to say? Will the rhapsode know this better than the pilot?
ION. No, the pilot will know that.
SOCRATES. Or what is fitting for a man ruling a sick person to say? Will the rhapsode know better than the doctor?
ION. No, not that either.
SOCRATES. What about a slave? Do you mean what it is fitting for a slave tending a flock of sheep to say to soothe them? Will the rhapsode know this better than the herdsman?
ION. No.
SOCRATES. Or what is fitting for a spinning-woman to say about preparing wool?
ION. No.
SOCRATES. Then what about what it is fitting for a man to say when he is a general exhorting his troops? Will the rhapsode know that?
ION. Yes! That is the sort of thing the rhapsode will know.
SOCRATES. Wait. Is the art of the rhapsode the same as the art of the general?
ION. At least I would know what a general ought to say.
Τμῆμα 540
ΙΩΝ. τί δὲ δὴ ἐπιλανθάνομαι;
ΣΩ. οὐ μέμνησαι ὅτι ἔφησθα τὴν ῥαψῳδικὴν τέχνην ἑτέραν εἶναι τῆς ἡνιοχικῆς;
ΙΩΝ. μέμνημαι.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν καὶ ἑτέραν οὖσαν ἕτερα γνώσεσθαι ὡμολόγεις;
ΙΩΝ. ναί.
ΣΩ. οὐκ ἄρα πάντα γε γνώσεται ἡ ῥαψῳδικὴ κατὰ τὸν σὸν λόγον οὐδὲ ὁ ῥαψῳδός.
ΙΩΝ. πλήν γε ἴσως τὰ τοιαῦτα, ὦ Σώκρατες.
ΣΩ. τὰ τοιαῦτα δὲ λέγεις πλὴν τὰ τῶν ἄλλων τεχνῶν σχεδόν τι· ἀλλὰ ποῖα δὴ γνώσεται, ἐπειδὴ οὐχ ἅπαντα;
ΙΩΝ. ἃ πρέπει, οἶμαι ἔγωγε, ἀνδρὶ εἰπεῖν καὶ ὁποῖα γυναικί, καὶ ὁποῖα δούλῳ καὶ ὁποῖα ἐλευθέρῳ, καὶ ὁποῖα ἀρχομένῳ καὶ ὁποῖα ἄρχοντι.
ΣΩ. ἆρα ὁποῖα ἄρχοντι, λέγεις, ἐν θαλάττῃ χειμαζομένου πλοίου πρέπει εἰπεῖν, ὁ ῥαψῳδὸς γνώσεται κάλλιον ἢ ὁ κυβερνήτης;
ΙΩΝ. οὔκ, ἀλλὰ ὁ κυβερνήτης τοῦτό γε.
ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ ὁποῖα ἄρχοντι κάμνοντος πρέπει εἰπεῖν, ὁ ῥαψῳδὸς γνώσεται κάλλιον ἢ ὁ ἰατρός;
ΙΩΝ. οὐδὲ τοῦτο.
ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ οἷα δούλῳ πρέπει, λέγεις;
ΙΩΝ. ναί.
ΣΩ. οἷον βουκόλῳ λέγεις δούλῳ ἃ πρέπει εἰπεῖν ἀγριαινουσῶν βοῶν παραμυθουμένῳ, ὁ ῥαψῳδὸς γνώσεται ἀλλʼ οὐχ ὁ βουκόλος;
ΙΩΝ. οὐ δῆτα.
ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ οἷα γυναικὶ πρέποντά ἐστιν εἰπεῖν ταλασιουργῷ περὶ ἐρίων ἐργασίας;
ΙΩΝ. οὔ.
ΣΩ. ἀλλʼ οἷα ἀνδρὶ πρέπει εἰπεῖν γνώσεται στρατηγῷ στρατιώταις παραινοῦντι;
ΙΩΝ. ναί, τὰ τοιαῦτα γνώσεται ὁ ῥαψῳδός.
ΣΩ. τί δέ; ἡ ῥαψῳδικὴ τέχνη στρατηγική ἐστιν;
ΙΩΝ. Γνοίην γοῦν ἂν ἔγωγε οἷα στρατηγὸν πρέπει εἰπεῖν.
ΣΩ. ἴσως γὰρ εἶ καὶ στρατηγικός, ὦ Ἴων. καὶ γὰρ εἰ ἐτύγχανες ἱππικὸς ὢν ἅμα καὶ κιθαριστικός, ἔγνως ἂν ἵππους εὖ καὶ κακῶς ἱππαζομένους· ἀλλʼ εἴ σʼ ἐγὼ ἠρόμην· ποτέρᾳ δὴ τέχνῃ, ὦ Ἴων, γιγνώσκεις τοὺς εὖ ἱππαζομένους ἵππους; ᾗ ἱππεὺς εἶ ἢ ᾗ κιθαριστής;
τί ἄν μοι ἀπεκρίνω;
ΙΩΝ. ἧι ἱππεύς, ἔγωγʼ ἄν.
ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν εἰ καὶ τοὺς εὖ κιθαρίζοντας διεγίγνωσκες, ὡμολόγεις ἄν, ᾗ κιθαριστὴς εἶ, ταύτῃ διαγιγνώσκειν, ἀλλʼ οὐχ ᾗ ἱππεύς.
ΙΩΝ. ναί.
ΣΩ. ἐπειδὴ δὲ τὰ στρατιωτικὰ γιγνώσκεις, πότερον ᾗ στρατηγικὸς εἶ γιγνώσκεις ἢ ᾗ ῥαψῳδὸς ἀγαθός;
ΙΩΝ. οὐδὲν ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ διαφέρειν.